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  • Aug. 25th, 2011 at 3:10 PM
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The response to my post about the riots was overwhelming. It was reposted, retweeted and even translated; this is not what one expects for a post on Livejournal, which - outside Russia - is dwindling and largely used these days by the mildly eccentric to post pictures of their cats. As result of that post, I was interviewed by a number of UK and foreign journalists. I repeatedly made the point, when being pitched as some sort of expert witness, or as someone who could 'explain' what was happening, that the very fact that blogs like mine were being widely circulated and cited was testament to the poverty of the response in the mainstream media.

The worst aspects of that response were exemplified by the Channel Four broadcast Street Riots: The Live Debate. I know just how poor this programme was, because I was there, invited to be part of the audience because of what I had written. I assumed that any programme linked to the justly lauded Channel Four News would be undertaken in the same sort of spirit. This was perhaps rather naive of me.

I wish now that someone had recorded the informative and encouraging discussions around the tables during the long period when the audience - mostly composed of those directly affected by the riots or involved in dealing with the aftermath - were gathered waiting for the broadcast to start. One young man noted this, standing up and asking for a moment of everyone's time to make the point that the spirit of cooperation and communication amongst the various groups and factions represented there was so positive he felt it worth acknowledging.

I smelled a rat when we were called in to take our seats, and it was clear that we were being filtered into simplistically polarised positions. I was with those on the left of the studio and supposedly to the right of the debate, next to a 'vigilante' martial artist who had actually defended his parents' home without recourse to violence, in the same row as the man who was kicked off and robbed of his motorbike and was still wincing in pain from his injuries, behind those whose shops had been looted and livelihoods destroyed. Yet there was still a prevailing spirit of goodwill amongst the audience, with, I suspect, many of us most anxious, at that point, about the alarming prospect of appearing on and talking to camera. There was a shift in the atmosphere when Krishnan Gurumurthy strutted onto the set in his high heels, carrying with him a miasma of self-importance so intense it was though someone had a lobbed an anchovy into bowl of pic-a-mix. The tension began to rise.

The purpose of the 'rehearsal' that followed, and similar planning sessions that took place whenever the studio was off air, became clear as soon as the cameras started rolling. Almost every participant who had something constructive or conciliatory to say was overlooked, as the 'debate' focused on the contentious and reductive.

There was also something of a stooge on the panel. Adrian Mills was introduced as the husband of a restaurateur whose premises were looted. He is also a minor TV presenter in his own right and he was turned to whenever Gurumurthy failed to elicit the strident 'hang 'em and flog 'em approach he was seeking from my side of the floor. I'd much rather have seen the marvellously sanguine and dignified Trevor Reeve on the paid panel. Or better still, Jan Sainte. She and her mother lost their entire handmade, largely bespoke stock, looted from their premises in Peckham. No insurance payment will cover her for the time she needs to rebuild her stock and clientele. I've lost count of the number of fatuous idiots who have suggested that the looting was some sort of deliberate anarchic response to 'the bankers'. Her suggestion, that small businesses like hers should be offered at least a temporary financial bail-out, should have been given airtime and a response from Ian Duncan Smith, especially in the week that banks came under scutiny for failing to provide adequate loan services to SMEs.

It was participants like her, giving up an evening of what must surely be one of the worst weeks of their lives, whom I felt most sorry for as the programme progressed. There would, of course, have been more time for their contributions if several minutes of airtime hadn't been wasted on some bloke reading out bits of the Twitter feed. This was presumably to get the C4 hashtag trending for the benefit of future adverstising revenue, but if I'd gone there because I'd lost my business or been terrorised in my home and I'd been silenced while the inane observations of Chunkymuff off Twitter were given airtime, I think I'd have walked out of the studio.

I don't know if the Question Time debate on the BBC was any better. I caught only a fragment of it - John Prescott raging incoherently like a giant, grey, animated testicle - and it wasn't available afterwards on iPlayer. I did see the Newsnight debacle with David Starkey, sadly, and wondered who thought it was appropriate to wheel out a expert on the monarchy to speak with neither expertise nor insight on the matter of public disorder. They must have been mourning that Starkey had only two feet, when his mouth would clearly have accommodated so very many more. That show, too, was undoubtedly deemed a great success, trending away on Twitter, generating self-referential column inches as the media endlessly debated itself under the guise of talking about the riots. The Channel 4 debate and the Starkey sideshow added nothing in the way of explanation or analysis, and both programmes detracted from and distorted the issues under discussion. They might have been entertaining, but the BBC, at least, should have paid more attention to its remit to inform and educate.

I was surprised to be given the last word in the C4 debate, given 'ten seconds to talk about something positive that might come out of the riots'. I suspect I was supposed to say something worthy about education. What I said, though less coherently, was that truly inspiring leadership had come from ordinary citizens and had helped to compensate for the crushing lack of real leadership from our political masters, whose responses I described as polarised between the Guardianista sermon and the Daily Mail outragegasm.

More than any other generation of politicians, the present ones respond to headlines rather than generating them. Their speeches play immediately to their respective galleries, and indicate no consistent, coherent approach. They are seldom even memorable, though not because of a refreshing lack of soundbites (excluding, of course, David Cameron's unfortunately acronymed 'War on Gangs' or broken record repetition of the mantra about a 'broken society') but because of a terrifying lack of content. The one consistent factor seems to have been the assurance of 'robust' responses, particularly in terms of sentencing miscreants. Except, of course, that the unusually stiff penalties are merely reduced on appeal, just as any withdrawal of benefits is likely to be. These appeals have to be financed from the public purse, making this knee-jerk robustness a very expensive cosmetic exercise.

This level of civil unrest does not call for a radical response in terms of punishment, but for a fair and clear-sighted idea of the long term consequences. Those who already had criminal records before their offences during the riots should not receive harsher than normal sentence. If they do it will reinforce their sense of themselves both as a threat to normal society and beyond that society's redemptive reach. It will entrench their gang loyalty - if they have one - even more deeply. In this instance, to demonise is to glamorise.

Those who had no previous criminal record should also receive no more than 'normal' punishment for the crimes they committed during the riots. These are the ones, especially those who are very young, whom I fear for most. If they managed to grow up in communities where almost the majority of people their age get into trouble without turning to crime themsleves, they are going to feel a burning sense of injustice if their actions during the riots are deemed to merit much stiffer penalties than those their peers have recieved for similar, repeated crimes before the riots. These are the young people who may become permanently criminalised by their actions during one horrifying, emotive, but isolated event. Some account must be taken on the mob hysteria that prevailed on those nights of violence. Surely it would be better to offer those with a previously clean record appropriate sentences that would be expunged, permanently, from their records if they commit no further offence within three or five years?

In the unliklely event that I do go back to the classroom next month, I would be very reluctant to discuss the polarised political response to the riots. But I would use news stories from the riots. I'd use stories about Tariq Jahan, appealing so eloquently for calm after the horrifying death of his son; Louise Smith resolutely defending her business from a 300-strong mob; Mary Cohen organising the clean-up in Clapham; Trevor Reeve, refusing to demand revenge and showing his superiority both to the lawless mob that destroyed his business and the increasingly strident one that claims to be baying for justice for people like him. These are people worth learning about, people worth learning from. I'd encourage my pupils to ignore the politicians and switch off the broadcasters.

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[info]sarah_mum wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2011 02:24 pm (UTC)
The channel4 debate lost me members of the audience who queried points raised as reason or justification for rioting by other members were dismissed by Krishnan as 'distracting from the point', they were the bloody point!
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[info]vertigoranger wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2011 05:42 pm (UTC)
Indeed, I can see what drew you to Jane's original post.
[info]rosamicula wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2011 05:50 pm (UTC)
For Daily Mail outragegasm, see [info]jordan179, above.
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[info]rosamicula wrote:
Aug. 26th, 2011 02:37 pm (UTC)
The points you are making have no bearing whatsoever on the post I wrote or the opinions I expressed. Shrieking about draconian revenge tactics against rioters - many of whom have never been in trouble befor, as I pointed out - is utterly counterproductive, not least because of the legal/fiscal implications (see what I wrote above about appeals).

[info]apostle_of_eris wrote:
Aug. 27th, 2011 09:44 pm (UTC)
It's only acceptable and proper to be a Thatcherite wholesale. Retail mimicking of betters is totally unacceptable.
quite right
After all, "There is no such thing as socity."
[info]wardytron wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2011 06:59 pm (UTC)
As far as I could gather, the rioters didn't make any political demands; they were just burning and looting. The only example I saw of anything approximating a political demand was a youth in Salford, Manchester complaining about the number of jobs going to foreign workers, and actually I agreed with him. We have historically unprecedented levels of immigration, and in the exact same areas where immigration is highest, we have the highest levels of youth unemployment.

I don't want their careers to have a death-knell. I want their careers to have a beginning. Lots of them are from families where 2 or 3 generations have never worked. This is the result of perhaps 4 decades of ill-conceived social policy, all of which needs to be looked at. Imprisoning them or subjecting them to a life on the dole is not my idea of fixing this.

I want to stress that I'm also coming from a vantage point of really hating the bastards who threw a guy from his motorbike; who destroyed peoples homes & businesses and who terrorised my city for 3 days. But I want a practical and working solution as opposed to mere vengeance.
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[info]rosamicula wrote:
Aug. 26th, 2011 02:55 pm (UTC)
Again you are making an arbitrary and inaccurate distinction netween good and bad people. I've taught on Access courses in Cardiff and London. Those courses are intensive one or two year or modular schemes that enable people who left school with pretty much no qualifications to gain the equivbalent of A levels and gain access to university of higher level vocational courses.

In every group I taught there were a few people - usually men - who would say, quite openly, that they were problem kids in school, that they had been in trouble as youths, even gone to prison, but they had grown beyond that and were using that course as a route to better prospects for themselves and their families. A rioter at 16 can be a model taxpayer by the age of 25, but not if their actions at 14 prevent them form becoming so.

I am responding not for your benefit, but for random passers by who are reading, really. My last public post was pretty impressive in terms of the quality of discussion in the comments, with only a tiny number of serial ranters and kneejerk whackjobs. I am blocking/freezing you from commenting because you seem to come in to the latter category.
[info]apostle_of_eris wrote:
Aug. 27th, 2011 09:42 pm (UTC)
In one NBC report, a young man in Tottenham was asked if rioting really achieved anything:
"Yes," said the young man. "You wouldn't be talking to me now if we didn't riot, would you?
Two months ago we marched to Scotland Yard, more than 2,000 of us, all blacks, and it was peaceful and calm and you know what? Not a word in the press. Last night, a bit of rioting and looting and look around you."
[info]rosamicula wrote:
Aug. 27th, 2011 09:46 pm (UTC)
Interesting stuff and depressingly accurate.

I don't know why but I didn't get a notification of this comment.
[info]ms_siobhan wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2011 02:58 pm (UTC)
I lost patience with the c4 debate as a)Krishnan gets right on my tits as he comes across as extremely sanctimonious and b)Adrian Mills got even more on my tits as did the gobshitey white man who kept challenging others for evidence.
[info]the_meanest_cat wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2011 04:42 pm (UTC)
Glad I'm not the only one who finds krishnan annoying. That 'debate' might as well have been chaired by Jeremy Vile.
[info]rosamicula wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2011 05:55 pm (UTC)
Exactly. I meant to make that comparison, but I had to email Wardy to remind me of Kyle's name, and then forgot. It's so useful having a trach culture guru to hand.

Edited at 2011-08-25 08:57 pm (UTC)
[info]wardytron wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2011 03:20 pm (UTC)
I realised very quickly that the Channel 4 debate was going to be useless, a televised row between social workers on the one hand, and hangers & floggers on the other. If you'd indicated beforehand that you thought that it was video games that were responsible, or bankers' bonuses, or anything so long as you were insistent that it wasn't more complex than that, then you'd probably have got more airtime.

Oh, isn't it depressing though, hearing grownup broadcasters talking about hashtags trending. Imagine David Attenborough being made to do that.
[info]myfirstkitchen wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2011 03:31 pm (UTC)
It could have been worse, they could have let viewers sign up to "hug a hoody" or "hang 'em and flog 'em" via QR codes on screen, in the manner of that recent cookery programme.
[info]wardytron wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2011 03:29 pm (UTC)
And of course, re the David Starkey episode, the most crushingly disheartening thing about that was that, because his choice of words was so clumsy, everyone was able to overlook the fact that the essential point he was making was true - and needs to be addressed - and instead Twitter erupted in one of its periodic hissyfits, this one being OMG DAVID STARKEY'S RACIST.
[info]mr_tom wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2011 03:46 pm (UTC)
the essential point he was making was true

OMG WARDYTRON's RACIST!
[info]uitlander wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2011 03:39 pm (UTC)
The C4 debate was dire. I watched again and again as they sought out soundbite over substance. The frequency with which I saw the top of your head and a hand in the air must have been exceptionally frustrating. The only good thing to say about it all was that you had the last word, and it was a good set of last words that struck home.
[info]rosamicula wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2011 08:59 pm (UTC)
I was so incensed by the end of it that I nearly just shrieked a series of Father Jackish expletives.
[info]uitlander wrote:
Aug. 26th, 2011 05:41 am (UTC)
Delightfully entertaining as your use of expletives usually is, I think what actually came out made a much better impression overall.
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[info]wardytron wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2011 06:48 pm (UTC)
Well I consider myself to be fairly hardline and probably to the right of almost all my contemporaries & friends about all this, but please. Their productive life in British civil society has never begun. That's the problem.

We have a class of people with no connection to British civil life, who don't even understand what British civil life is. This may be for any number of reasons, all of which can be argued about, but the thing we need above all to do is to get the buggers to find, or if you prefer, have imposed on them, a sense of what civil life is, and how you go about being part of it.

Further exclusion from it is not something I think is going to help anyone.
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[info]clytemenstra wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2011 08:58 pm (UTC)
Maybe the more decent thing to do is to give them a chance? You treat people like scum, they will start acting like scum. These are people who already feel excluded from British society. Still, I'm interested in knowing how you think we can exclude them. Maybe we should paint them bright red? Or make them walk through the streets with big "Rs" hung round their necks? Or maybe we should put them all on a ship and send them to another country? Any ideas? Or maybe we should make sure they stay on the dole, or in dead end jobs, becoming more miserable, more angry, and more alienated.

"Hatred and rejection expressed by most of the British people." Conducted a straw poll of how approximately 60 million people in this country think, have you?


[info]rosamicula wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2011 09:00 pm (UTC)
I think we should send them to America - where Mr 179 hails from...
[info]clytemenstra wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2011 09:08 pm (UTC)
Sounds like a plan...
[info]perfectlyvague wrote:
Aug. 26th, 2011 07:00 am (UTC)
Ohhhh, that explains a lot. I had assumed he hailed from Croydon because a) he spoke with such authority over the nature of the riots and b) he sounds like he comes from Croydon. I suppose Mr 179 wants British Rule back then given that his great nation only has its independence as a result of insurrection.
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[info]rosamicula wrote:
Aug. 26th, 2011 02:46 pm (UTC)
Yup - and your crime rates are so low and your inner cities so safe as a result, aren't they?
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[info]rosamicula wrote:
Aug. 26th, 2011 02:43 pm (UTC)
The rioters are part of Britain. They come from the same demographic, most of them, as the 80% of Brits who want more draconian punishment. SOme of those who voted will have been or are enghaged in criminal activity themselves. You assume a simplistic and infantile distinction between good citizens and 'evil' ones - and 'evil' is term that belongs to the middle ages.

Those who voted that way will have done so because they do not want a repeat of what happened, but prison does not work as a deterrent. It never has, in any society. Education and employment keep people out of crime, not prsion.

Punishment need to fit the crimes appropriately. A 24 year old committing arson is a much greater threat to society than a 14 year old following the lead of the 24 year and others around him and nicking some trainers.

[info]moral_vacuum wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2011 05:19 pm (UTC)
All. Of. This.

Please be appointed a Minister, at your earliest convenience.
[info]jondiesch wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2011 08:49 pm (UTC)
I heard you being trailed on PM this afternoon. Ed said you would putting across "forthright opinions"! Can't wait to hear them on saturday ;)
[info]rosamicula wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2011 08:53 pm (UTC)
I know. God knows what the editing will be like. i will probably sound like a madwoman. I think I had a rant about spelling.
[info]uitlander wrote:
Aug. 26th, 2011 05:42 am (UTC)
Ohh. You're on PM? When. A cycling commute means that I no longer normally hear that, but this is what we have 'listen again' for.
[info]rosamicula wrote:
Aug. 26th, 2011 03:42 pm (UTC)
Not on PM - on IPM on Saturday, not that I am expecting people to gather round the wireless.
[info]perfectlyvague wrote:
Aug. 26th, 2011 04:17 pm (UTC)
it'll be like the abdication speech...I shall stand when they play your anthem
[info]rosamicula wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2011 08:53 pm (UTC)
I'm a poacher, not a gamekeeper:-)
[info]perfectlyvague wrote:
Aug. 26th, 2011 06:53 am (UTC)
So are they, luv...so are they.
[info]jhaelan wrote:
Aug. 26th, 2011 04:22 pm (UTC)

Thanks for keeping us in the loop, interesting on first pass and will re-read when I'm back near a proper computer

[info]rhythmaning wrote:
Aug. 30th, 2011 03:44 pm (UTC)
I'm glad your experience of Radio 4 and iPM (?) was so much better.

The partisan, non-collaborative nature of the discourse on so many programmes - particularly Question Time on BBC1 and Today on Radio 4 - is one reason I give them a miss.
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